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Post by Legolas Greenleaf on Jun 3, 2006 13:52:18 GMT -5
*decides to shut up before anything happens*
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Post by Rinafera Woxwitty III on Jul 3, 2006 1:28:11 GMT -5
Well Rova, people look for different things in a President. If you like having the government leading your country to concentrate on invading other countries to "establish peace" instead of keeping the people back home off the streets, then Bush is perfect. After all, people who end up on the streets obviously aren't working hard enough to earn money for them and their family. Now, if you couldn't catch the sarcasm in that.... (Although, the first sentance was sincere) Bush has done a great job of doing what he wanted to do. The people are frightened that terrorists are after them. Because everyone knows terrorists like to bomb your little suburban home with its Capitalist white picket fence. 9/11 has been the ONLY Terrorist attack on American soil in years and years. More people die from slipping in the bathtub than terrorist attacks, if we exclude 9/11. Are we going to ban bathtubs too? And Bush has managed to twist this fear to his advantage to make the common man fear the second largest religion in the world. And if you're wondering just how well he managed to make the populace fear terrorism, well, he managed to slip the Patriot Act by you, and has the legal right to LISTEN TO YOUR TELEPHONE CALLS. Isn't privacy a right of some kind? For that matter, isn't freedom? Not anymore. Ooh, love ranting, I'll continue later And any pro-Bush people, please note I'm not attacking your beliefs, I'm pointing out my own opinion. Feel free to do the same to me. HMPH. Watch the documentary "Obsessions", buddy. Micheal Moore is the biggest liar on the face of the earth. There IS a terrorsit threat, and Bush knows it. He is in serious danger, but I explained it in another post. Please all of you who think fighting Terrorists is a waste of time, buy the dvd. "Obsession" will show you the reason and will show you what the MEDIA won't.
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Post by Dirk Thornclaw on Jul 3, 2006 1:54:23 GMT -5
I never denied there was a terrorist threat - in the world. Not in America. 9/11 was the only foreign Terrorist attack on American soil since...over a decade ago, I think it was? More? There are definitely terrorists in the world, and they must be stopped. But they are NOT after you personally, and you're not going to die if you ride the subway. Maybe if you were in Saudi Arabia, but not in America.
Ok, I'll watch your documentary, which, interestingly enough, I can't find mention of on Wikipedia or IMDB, and you can watch, say, Fahrenheit 9-11. Or no, read the book Dude, Where's My Country.
In all honesty your post leaves me inclined to believe you have no idea what you're talking about, and you're just spouting off Republican propoganda. Can you back up your claims - such as Michael Moore being a liar, and the Media showing nothing - with facts?
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Post by Rinafera Woxwitty III on Jul 3, 2006 11:45:29 GMT -5
Well, I betcha didn't know that in a press conference to release his new film, Micheal Moore said "There is no terrorist threat."
Did the anti-Bush media show you footage of American citizens in the Middle East getting burned alive in their car? Or getting dragged through their streets simply for being American? Oh, and what a Terrorist leader said in that video was Isreal controls all of Bush's desicions. And thats why Isreal and America must die.
I've seen Farenheit 9/11, so you know.
There IS a terrorist threat to America, but I do not have the time or wish to explain it to you.
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Post by Finbar Bellamy on Jul 3, 2006 13:41:30 GMT -5
There's a terrorist threat. Yes. But I think it's safe to say that it has, or will be, blown way out of proportion. Right now many Americans are so afraid of death a la terrorists (I can't ride this bus, the driver has a turban) that they are going a tad insane and adopting a "kill them before they can kill us" policy.
Am I the only one who thinks that that is a little creepy?
Meanwhile, as he does the noble deed of fighting terrorism, Bush completely ignores issues such as global warming and alternate sources of energy. We're going to run out of oil soon. I think that's a pretty big issue. But noooo, our president's more worried about the nations that control the oil. Well, that's okay then.
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Post by Dirk Thornclaw on Jul 4, 2006 19:37:18 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, of course. Feel free to attack ours, but then don't complain when we attack yours.
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Post by Crystal And Fireheart on Jul 5, 2006 22:59:23 GMT -5
Meep, I don't like Bush ethier. Blech. Maybe I should post that song I wrote about the Iraq crap... Meh, If I get bored.
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Post by Chicory Rue on Jul 6, 2006 21:01:16 GMT -5
Post it! I'd like to hear it.
And while we're waiting, I challenge anyone to come up with a single legitimate reason of why we invaded Iraq.
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Post by Antious Treefello on Jul 7, 2006 0:55:03 GMT -5
Man terroists didnt blow up the trade centers, or the pentigon, the government did. their trying to change things while blameing it on terrorists so people dont ask questions and get smart about the situations that are going on. now I mean their are terrorists out their, but the 9/11 stuff is all the government and they want to slowly take controle of everything. I mean yha first its the patriot act then next theyll be listining to all phone calls and throwing people in jail for not likeing the government, then before you know it theyll be monitoring the internet and throwing americans in jail for posting negitive stuff about the government and then america will be controlled by a dictator and they will start attacking countrys left and right. Its crazy man, crazy.
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Post by Rinafera Woxwitty III on Jul 7, 2006 12:21:36 GMT -5
Antious, I hate to say it, but that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The goverment blew up the two towers so they could go to war?!?!?! Bush IS a christian, and so am I. I don't know how ANYONE can be a Christian Democrat! Look, America will have no dictator. And, the Terrorists admitted that they blew up the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, AND the London Subways!
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Post by Finbar Bellamy on Jul 7, 2006 13:10:21 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't go that far. You have no evidence to support your theories there. Better think a little more before you bring such strong opinions into a debate, hm?
I guess you're against gay marriage and all, then? *frown* Hrm.
I'm getting off topic anyway and I'm too tired to debate. Not very good at it either, especially in an area such as politics, where I'm pretty much out of my league. *yawn*
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Post by Crystal And Fireheart on Jul 7, 2006 16:17:31 GMT -5
Post it! I'd like to hear it. Woah! Thanks! Nobody EVER wants to hear things I wrote. Ummm... **Looks at knuckles that are wraped in tape, with a crossed rose and sword drawn on the tape.** And I Wonder why. OK, after a slight rant about politics, I'll do it. Crystal's veiw on what's going onGay marrige: Let them. They wanna be gay, let them, because it's their choice. Really. Goerge W. Bush: IDJIT! He is out Doom!.... Thank you for wasteing your time reading this. ^-^ But really, God didn't intend for this to happen. It's like StarClan in the Warrior's series. They lead the cats, but they make the desion them selves. But Bush doesn't care about opnion. And now for my song! (It has no name. And a little info about it: Frist it's me then it's from the veiw of a solider, as if I was in the war. Then it switches back to me. My friend's uncle, who's in the war, helped me write it.)
I stand on the coast, waiting to see the costly mistakes. Bush can always boast, But when all my friends die for his cause with no end I just can't lie and say I don't hate him, Since I do. I've gone to hell and back and back to hell again, Yet I've never seen do much death. In toubled times I can't lie, I'm off the wagon of death and I'm getting my own life. I stand on the edge of battle, gun at my side and loaded. Forced to stay, while Bush celebrates my own decay, I've gone to far, An I'm headed into waiting death, with inocent of the deadly cimes. I've gone to hell and back and back to hell again, Yet I've never seen do much death. In toubled times I can't lie, I'm off the wagon of death and I'm getting my own life. I'm seeing in the news of the deaths we're facein', How Bush can't just erase every mistake he made. Like a Freakin'(*) Tyrent, We watch frinds die by his hand. while his face burns in my mind, One name catches my eye... My friend has died. I've gone to hell and back and back to hell again, Yet I've never seen do much death. In toubled times I can't lie, I'm off the wagon of death and I'm getting my own life. And now it's gonna be us diein' to Bush's will!
Note: Where is has (*) after the word freakin', that's not the orginal word. And I just saw this... And I like started luaging. What the HECK do you this Bush IS, man? A freakin' dictator is all I see him as! Oh, wait, sracth that. He's a freakin' tyrant!My best friend's uncle was killed at his lesisrue! Look at the line in my song that reads: As his face burns in my head, One name catches my eye... It means HIM! And I don't wanna go itno what happened to My cousin! (**Grumbles something about how he was only 18 and Bush is now celibrateing his decay.**) How know, Bush is reminding me of Tigerclaw in the Warriors series.
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Post by Antious Treefello on Jul 7, 2006 16:51:57 GMT -5
Man the whitnesess are the evidence. One of the people who was werking in the building at the time of the "crashes" herd three low thuds like bombs going off, and with the collaps of the towers wouldent it be a little more wild and chaotic when they collapsed like falling all over the place and faster than it did, I mean they looked kinda like a controled demolition the way they fell and all were the way a demolition is (Radial symmetry, Rapid descent, Demo waves, Demo squibs, pulverization, and totality), oh and it was reported that after the impacts the WTC towers were stable. As for the pentagon they said that an airliner rammed into it knocking down lamposts along the way not likely. for one the hole of the crash was too small for the for that, two they say that it knocked down like 20 lampposts not likely the airliner woluld of been torn apart before it got to the pentagon by those same lampposts, three why did the government siez all the video footage of the crash on the pentagon from the nearby hotel fifteen minutes after the crash. Oh and as for Bush being a christian he is now but before presidency he was part of the Bohemian Grove a group of high ranking officials who go to some 2700 acer redwood forest and do pagan rituals oh and so was his father, the vice president, secritary of defence, deputy chief of staff and senior advisor to Bush, former presidents: Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower, Truman, Hoover, Coolidge, Taft, and Roosevelt, the former ceo of the world bank and many more. As for the terrorists saying that they did it well yha but thay were only a small part in the big plane to change things. oh and what about the other WTC building the 47 story modern work of steel that was right across the street of the twin towers. It wasnt hit but it to collapsed to "uncontrolled fires" a modern reiforced skyscraper wouldnt just collaps like that it sit thair burning for days then collapse, but no 5:30 it collapsed like what 6 hours after the twin towers were hit, then thair was other buildings that were struck by fire like: the Caracas Tower (2004) burned for more than 17 hours, spread to over 26 floors did not collaps or the One Meridian Plaza (1991) burned for 18 hours, gutted 8 floors of the 38 floor building that one too did not collaps. Im tellin ya the government planned 9/11 but you dont have to belive, your entitald to your own opinions as am I.
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Post by Finbar Bellamy on Jul 9, 2006 17:56:39 GMT -5
I'll bow out, if that's alright with you...I don't think this can be called a legitimate discussion anymore, much less a debate, and all this stuff is just not my can of beans.
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Post by Rinafera Woxwitty III on Jul 9, 2006 20:23:20 GMT -5
I don't believe in gay marriage. Hmmm. Taxcuts, new laws enforcing against stalkers, ect, yet Bush is a Tyrant. Hmmm. Oh, yes, that makes sense, all of his decsions have to be backed up by Congress, (which is mainly Democratic) yet Bush is a Tyrant. And, Crystal Bush didn't kill your cousin. Ya'll call yourselves patriots...HMPH, I would die in Iraq if it meant I helped my country, and others.
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Post by Chicory Rue on Jul 9, 2006 20:32:34 GMT -5
Man, Crystal, I luv ya, I really do. *applauds* ;D ;D ;D I agree, Finbar. They're taking this thing way too far. And the discrimination against Arabs and Muslims is just awful. Also, the "random checks" at airports are far from random- anybody that's non-white is automatically searched, no questions asked. I mean, it's not like we haven't had Americans "turn against the tide," if you know what I mean. Quite a few of them, in fact. Oh, and Erksta- Bush doesn't necessarily listen to authority. I mean, he invaded Iraq without U.N. consent, didn't he? Oh, and how is dying in Iraq going to help anything? Come to think of it, why the heck did we even invade to begin with? Tell me that. And don't say, "to fight terrorism." If we wanted to do that, we'd go after Osama Bin Laden or something reasonable like that. Not a WMD-less country that's never done anything to us.
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Post by Rinafera Woxwitty III on Jul 9, 2006 22:56:17 GMT -5
Late 1980's dude. Doncha know your history? Saddam Hussain? Well, first of all, he was charged of having nuclear weapons, and he was a dictator of Iraq. Well, Dubya's daddy went out there and we kicked him around, but didn't go after 'em. Now, he was proven of havng nuclear weapons in the late 90's. Did Clinton care? Nah. He basically said if the Middle East is gonna die, let 'em die, less countries to deal with. Well Bush had the idea that if thy HAVE nuclear weapons, and Hussain SAID he did, he might go get rid of 'em, restore order to Iraq, and leave the heroes. Well, soon after catching the coward dictator, they found he had no weapons. (friggin' liar) Well, Bush helped the ING, (Iraqi National Guard) and the politics there to gain freedom and democracy to Iraq. Clinton, well, he was too busy cheating on his wife.
ANYWAY, the point is, going to Iraq was useful, we've gotten rid of Hussain, and restored freedom. Yet, there are still some of Hussain's disciples, blowing up trains, ect. Well, were there, and the Hussain followers are mettin' the greatest Military in the friggin' world.
Oh, and about Osama, we're after him too. Jus' havn't found him.
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Post by Crystal And Fireheart on Jul 10, 2006 0:28:52 GMT -5
Man, Crystal, I luv ya, I really do. *applauds* ;D ;D ;D Thankee! I meant what I said too. Hehehe. **Thinks of blowing up Bush but desides to write him and evil hate mail instead. It will have a rabid weasel in it that eat's Bush's face untill he decares Crystal as leader of the USA! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!**
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Post by Finbar Bellamy on Jul 10, 2006 16:32:22 GMT -5
So would the "insurgents" that are fighting on the other side.
I would say a bit about gay marriage, but I won't. Instead I really will bow out of this conversation.
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Post by Chicory Rue on Jul 10, 2006 20:20:19 GMT -5
Ditto that, Finbar. But really quick, let me get this out of my system (eh, sorry). Like Crystal said, it's really a person's own choice if they want to be homosexual. Let them do what they want, I say. Really, all the prejudice against gays- it's awful, really. It's no different than hating a person because they have different colored skin. I'm sure that half the people who are gay don't want to be, especially with all the abuse being hurled at gays nowadays. But, it's not like they just wake up one morning and say, "oh, I think I want to be attracted to my own gender today." It's a psychological orientation. Not a choice. This is arguable, but it's also impossible to say that the choice is made without both psychological/outside influence. Oo! On an unrelated note g- here's a funny definition of "Bush" by urbandictionary.com: bushsee warmonger1. one who uses patriotism and immense propaghanda to gain support for illegal unjustified brutal acts upon oppressed people for own gains, whether it be oil or money. 2. one who puts self gains in front of human life Okay, I'll be flamed now. But, it was worth it.
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